Climate Week at Caravan of Dreams #2
Marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson says the climate solutions already exist. The thing in the way is us. In a live interview for Better Future she says what is still unsolved, who is refusing, and what to do this year.
September 21, 2026 · Caravan of Dreams, East Village, NY
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11.2M
registered voters who rank the environment first and did not vote in 2024, by the Environmental Voter Project's count
12h 51m
of climate coverage on the corporate broadcast networks in all of 2024, per Media Matters
$8.7T
from the 65 biggest banks to fossil fuels in the ten years since Paris, per Banking on Climate Chaos
Ayana Elizabeth Johnson comes to the back room straight from a Planetary Guardians briefing. The news there is that seven of nine planetary boundaries are crossed. The Amazon is close to flipping from carbon sink to source. She read the projections in college and has watched them arrive. Wells run dry in Maine. Ticks survive because no winter kills them. Vermont flooded three years ago, and Vermont was supposed to be a refuge. Her response to all of it is the line the event is named for. The solutions exist. High-speed rail is invented. Wetlands can be replanted. Homes can be electrified. What is missing is implementation. The reasons are wealth concentration and a captured political party. The public saw under thirteen hours of climate news on network television in a year. People wait for the one perfect answer.
Michael Mezzatesta hosts Better Future, and he brings the podcast to Climate Week to test that claim. He pushes on capitalism, on eco-fascism, and on whether the right might beat the left to clean energy. She pushes back on purity tests, on nuclear as the only answer, and on the AI buildout. She leaves the room a practical list. Move your money. Vote and get others to. Meet your neighbors. Make climate work look like something people want to join.
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Marine biologist · co-founder, Urban Ocean Lab · author, What If We Get It Right?
Johnson is a marine biologist and policy expert. She co-founded Urban Ocean Lab, a think tank for coastal cities. She co-edited All We Can Save and wrote What If We Get It Right? Each chapter of that book opens with ten problems and ten possibilities. Michael Mezzatesta interviews her for a live episode of Better Future. It is recorded in the back room at Caravan of Dreams.
Two questions from the floor before she has to leave for dinner.
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