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We Already Engineer the Planet, Just Recklessly (Salon 10)

May 16, 2026 · 21 min · Kelly Erhart

We already change the climate every day, by accident and in the dirtiest way possible. At Metacrisis Salon #10 in Brooklyn, Kelly Erhart of Outlier Projects asked a New York living room the uncomfortable question: should we start doing it on purpose? The science, the risks, and the rules it would demand.

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We Already Engineer the Planet, Just Recklessly (Salon 10)

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0:00 Gemini: We are already engineering the planet, recklessly, by accident, in the dirtiest way possible. The only question left is whether we start doing it consciously. I'm Gemini.

0:09 Gemino: And I'm Gemino.

0:10 Gemini: Dear Crisis is a Brooklyn community that meets monthly to face the big crises together.

0:14 Gemino: This is the 20-minute version of Metacrisis Salon 10. For everyone who couldn't be in the room, and a longer version lives in the feed.

0:20 Gemini: So we're spending our time today with these, um, just incredible ideas brought to that room by Kelly Ehardt.

0:26 Gemino: Right, from outlier projects.

0:27 Gemini: Exactly, and she walked everyone through the hard science while the artist Von Wong kind of grounded it all visually.

0:33 Gemino: Yeah, which was super necessary because the stuff we're talking about is heavy.

0:36 Gemini: It is. I mean, the core mission of this conversation is to confront a really uncomfortable reality for you, for me, for everyone.

0:42 Gemino: Yeah.

0:43 Gemini: Like, what actually happens when the standard strategies you hear about all the time, just, you know, cutting emissions or building higher seawalls, what happens when those are suddenly nowhere near enough for the physical reality we are actually facing?

0:54 Gemino: Right, you have to start exploring territory that makes a lot of people really nervous.

0:58 Gemini: Climate stabilization.

0:59 Gemino: Yeah, climate stabilization. And to even approach a concept like that, you first have to understand why those traditional methods are falling short right now.

1:06 Gemini: Which is where Kelly's dashboard analogy comes in.

1:08 Gemino: Exactly. In the room, she used this dashboard analogy that frankly, brilliantly clarifies our predicament.

1:14 Gemini: It really does.

1:15 Gemino: If you picture a massive control panel for the planet, she said there are three flashing lights right now. Green, yellow, and red.

1:22 Gemini: So let's start with the green light because it's uh, it's the genuine good news. It's the stuff you see celebrated in headlines.

1:28 Gemino: It is.

1:28 Gemini: In 2023, the world invested 1.8 trillion dollars into clean energy.

1:34 Gemino: Which is huge.

1:34 Gemini: It's massive. That is double the investment that went into fossil fuels for the exact same year.

1:39 Gemino: Right, and if you rewind a decade, that kind of speed financial scale would have sounded like complete science fiction.

1:44 Gemini: Totally. You look at that green light and you really want to believe. Like, oh, we are finally winning.

1:48 Gemino: But of course, that optimism gets immediately complicated by the yellow light.

1:52 Gemini: Right, the energy transition.

1:53 Gemino: Yeah, or what we're calling a transition.

1:55 Gemini: Yeah.

1:55 Gemino: The widely accepted narrative is that we are undergoing an energy transition. But the reality on the ground is that it is actually an energy addition.

2:02 Gemini: Right.

2:03 Gemino: Throwing these historic, unprecedented amounts of solar and wind, but simultaneously, human civilization is burning more of every single fossil fuel than ever before.

2:12 Gemini: Which is just wild to think about.

2:14 Gemino: More coal, more natural gas, more wood. We're basically building our shiny new renewable systems directly on top of the old extractive ones.

2:22 Gemini: Wait, I have to stop you there because the math of that is just dizzying to me.

2:25 Gemino: Yeah.

2:25 Gemini: If we are spending nearly two trillion dollars on clean energy, how is it physically possible that fossil fuel use is still rising?

2:32 Gemino: It's a great question.

2:33 Gemini: It feels like those two lines on a graph should be moving in opposite directions, you know.

2:37 Gemino: They should, and they would if overall energy demand was static. But global energy demand is skyrocketing.

2:43 Gemini: Yeah.

2:44 Gemino: As developing nations industrialize and as data centers demand massive grid power.

2:48 Gemini: Oh, yeah, the AI boom.

2:49 Gemino: Exactly. The pie itself is growing so fast that even a massive slice of clean energy isn't enough to replace the old slices. We aren't swapping out the foundation, we're just building a taller house.

3:00 Gemini: It's essentially like celebrating a huge promotion and a pay raise at your job, but entirely ignoring the fact that you've simultaneously doubled your credit card debt to buy a bunch of new cars.

3:09 Gemino: That is exactly it.

3:09 Gemini: Like, yes, you have a lot more good income flowing in, but your underlying systemic liability is growing faster than it ever has.

3:17 Gemino: And that growing liability is what triggers the dashboard's red light.

3:19 Gemini: The big one.

3:20 Gemino: Right. Our global institutions, our economic models, our climate policies, they were all designed for the Holocene.

3:25 Gemini: Which is the stable era. Right.

3:26 Gemino: Yeah, the geological epoch of the last 10,000 years. Highly stable, very predictable climate. But we have physically forced the planet into the Anthropocene.

3:40 Gemini: An unstable era.

3:43 Gemino: Highly unstable. The most alarming metric isn't just what humans are emitting from our tailpipes and smokestacks today. It's how the planet itself is responding to the historical debt we've already racked up.

3:48 Gemini: Right, the stuff already baked in.

3:48 Gemino: We are blowing past the 1.5 degrees Celsius Paris target and the trajectory is pointing toward a 2.5 to 3 degree world.

3:53 Gemini: And that planetary response is the terrifying part, honestly.

3:57 Gemino: It is.

4:02 Gemini: Because it introduces variables that standard models just entirely miss. Kelly detailed three massive hidden risks that are virtually absent from official climate budgets.

4:08 Gemino: Yeah. And the first one is the catastrophic loss of planetary reflectivity.

4:11 Gemini: Right. Earth naturally acts like a giant mirror. It reflects about 30% of incoming sunlight back into space.

4:19 Gemino: But the NASA satellite data over the past 25 years shows that reflectivity has dropped. By about 1.7 watts per square meter.

4:28 Gemini: Which, honestly, sounds like a tiny number until you convert it. The warming impact of that lost mirror effect is equal to adding 2,400 gigatons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere.

4:38 Gemino: Yeah, and to put that abstract number into perspective for you. 2,400 gigatons represents every single ton of CO2 humanity has emitted since the beginning of the industrial revolution in 1750.

4:41 Gemini: Every single ton.

4:42 Gemino: Yes. We have essentially doubled our historical warming footprint just through the earth absorbing more heat rather than bouncing it away.

4:48 Gemini: That is staggering. And what's wild is that part of this is driven by losing bright reflective surfaces like, you know, sea ice and cloud cover.

4:57 Gemino: Right.

5:02 Gemini: But there is this deeply ironic third driver at play here. It's cleaner air.

5:04 Gemino: It really is one of the cruelest paradoxes in environmental science.

5:10 Gemini: Explain that because it sounds completely backwards.

5:12 Gemino: So when we burn fossil fuels, especially bunker fuels for massive cargo ships. We emit a lot of sulfur dioxide.

5:17 Gemini: Right, bad stuff.

5:18 Gemino: Terribly bad. Those aerosol particles are awful for human lungs. They cause acid rain, respiratory disease, you name it. But, up in the atmosphere, those same toxic particles act as cloud condensation nuclei.

5:22 Gemini: Meaning they make clouds.

5:27 Gemino: Exactly. They seed incredibly bright, dense clouds over the oceans that reflect sunlight perfectly.

5:30 Gemini: So when global shipping regulators correctly pass laws to clean up ship exhaust for human health, we inadvertently stripped away the reflective cover those aerosols were providing.

5:42 Gemino: Which they absolutely had to do.

5:47 Gemini: Right. We essentially pulled back a chemical curtain and unmasked the severe warming that was already there.

5:47 Gemino: Which means all that additional heat is now being absorbed directly into the climate system, particularly into the oceans.

5:52 Gemini: Yeah.

5:58 Gemino: And that thermal energy transfer leads us directly to the second hidden risk.

6:00 Gemini: Yeah.

6:00 Gemino: The physical reaction happening at the poles, specifically the Thwaites Glacier in Antarctica.

6:00 Gemini: Okay. This is where I have to heavily question the standard models we rely on.

6:09 Gemino: Oh, absolutely.

6:09 Gemini: Because the IPCC, which is the absolute gold standard for global planning, it's what governments use to design cities, insurers use it to price risk, they predict roughly half a meter of sea level rise by 2100.

6:18 Gemino: Right.

6:18 Gemini: I struggle to understand how the most prestigious scientific body on Earth implicitly assumes that as the world gets exponentially hotter, sea level rise will somehow remain linear and actually slow down.

6:28 Gemino: It doesn't make sense.

6:29 Gemini: It seems physically impossible.

6:29 Gemino: You are totally right to question it because glaciologists have been pointing out this discrepancy for years now.

6:38 Gemini: Yeah.

6:38 Gemino: Based on 60 years of physical data extrapolations, experts suggest the rise will be much higher. Easily over 1.25 meters.

6:48 Gemini: Wow.

6:48 Gemino: The IPCC models are inherently conservative, they rely on historical data and they really struggle to accurately model non-linear tipping points. Like the rapid structural collapse of ice sheets.

6:55 Gemini: And Thwaites is the ultimate tipping point. People often call it the fuse.

7:02 Gemino: Yes. It is a marine ice sheet that means the ice isn't sitting entirely on dry land. It extends out and is grounded to the sea floor by its own massive weight.

7:10 Gemini: And Kelly made a crucial mechanical distinction here that I think is so important.

7:10 Gemino: Yeah, what was it?

7:14 Gemini: Atmospheric warming was the initial trigger, but the ocean water itself is now the driver of the collapse.

7:17 Gemino: Exactly. To understand the mechanics of this, you have to look at the grounding line.

7:18 Gemini: Mm.

7:23 Gemino: That's the point where the glacier detaches from the bedrock and starts floatiing. Because we've pumped so much heat into the oceans, warm water is sneaking under the ice shelf. It melts the ice from below, which pushes the grounding line further inland down a reverse slope.

7:33 Gemini: Oh, wait. A reverse slope?

7:33 Gemino: Yeah, the bedrock actually slows downward toward the center of Antarctica.

7:38 Gemini: Oh, wow. So it's like a bowl.

7:40 Gemino: Exactly. So as that warm water lubricates the base, it reduces friction and the glacier literally slides faster into the ocean.

7:53 Gemini: So the fuse is already lit and it is largely disconnected from our current emissions. Like, even if humanity magically hit net zero tomorrow, that warm water is still under the glacier.

7:59 Gemino: Yep. Thwaites keeps slipping.

8:00 Gemini: Its collapse alone could cause up to two meters of sea level rise. That would fundamentally erase coastlines and displace hundreds of millions of people.

8:10 Gemino: It's terrifying.

8:10 Gemini: But in the salon, there's a detail about the physics of this melting that completely rewired my brain.

8:12 Gemino: The gravity thing.

8:12 Gemini: Yes. When a massive glacier melts, sea level rise isn't like filling a bathtub where the water rises evenly everywhere.

8:20 Gemino: No, it involves gravitational physics.

8:20 Gemini: Wow. These ice sheets are so astronomically massive that they generate their own gravitational pull.

8:26 Gemino: They literally draw ocean water toward themselves.

8:30 Gemini: So when Thwaites loses its mass, it loses that gravitational pull.

8:30 Gemino: Right.

8:33 Gemini: The counterintuitive result is that sea levels near Antarctica could actually fall because the water isn't being held there anymore.

8:35 Gemino: Yeah, and instead, that massive volume of water sloshes outward toward the equator.

8:42 Gemini: Creating catastrophic, disproportionate flooding in vulnerable coastal communities in places like Southeast Asia and the Global South.

8:49 Gemino: It is a localized drop in the ocean that creates a global catastrophe thousands of miles away.

8:55 Gemini: It's just mind-blowing.

8:55 Gemino: And as the oceans warm and the ice disappears, the surrounding land masses react too. Which brings us to the third hidden risk. Warming induced emissions.

9:08 Gemini: Right.

9:08 Gemino: The planet is now so hot that natural systems are spontaneously emitting super pollutants without any human assistance.

9:13 Gemini: Tropical wetlands are just bubbling up massive amounts of methane. Mega wildfires are releasing carbon and methane that were previously locked in forests. And the most concerning one is the permafrost thaw.

9:19 Gemino: Oh, the permafrost is huge.

9:21 Gemini: For millennia, dead plant and animal matter has been frozen solid in the tundra. As it warms, microbes wake up, eat that organic matter, and exhale enormous plumes of greenhouse gases.

9:31 Gemino: And the fatal flaw in our global governance here is that these super pollutants are completely off the books.

9:36 Gemini: Yes.

9:41 Gemino: Because no specific country built a factory to thaw the permafrost, no nation claimed those emissions in their carbon budgets.

9:43 Gemini: It's like discovering a rogue department in your company that is racking up billions in debt and instead of dealing with it, the board of directors just pretends the department doesn't exist so the quarterly balance sheet looks good.

9:55 Gemino: That is a perfect way to describe it.

9:55 Gemini: But the atmosphere doesn't care about our accounting tricks. The math is brutal. Reflectivity is dropping, the glaciers are hydrofracturing, regardless of our present actions. And the Earth is now a rogue emitter itself.

10:06 Gemino: So when you confront the sheer scale of that planetary math,

10:10 Gemini: Yeah.

10:10 Gemino: you realize that purely preventative measures are no longer adequate.

10:11 Gemini: Right. We are forced to look at direct interventions.

10:17 Gemino: Climate stabilization.

10:17 Gemini: Mm.

10:21 Gemino: Which has historically been a deeply taboo subject in the environmental movement.

10:25 Gemini: Kelly traced the history of these environmental taboos, and it is fascinating how the moral boundary always shifts.

10:28 Gemino: Yeah, it really does.

10:28 Gemini: In the 60s and 70s, the preservationist movement rejected the idea of industrial decarbonization entirely.

10:35 Gemino: Really?

10:35 Gemini: Yeah, they were skeptical of building massive renewable energy grids because they viewed any large-scale industrial intervention in nature as inherently wrong.

10:43 Gemino: Interesting.

10:45 Gemini: Then, in the 80s and 90s, the mitigators drew a new line. They rejected adaptation. The idea of building a seawall was seen as a moral failure.

10:52 Gemino: Like a surrender.

10:53 Gemini: Exactly, a surrender that would distract politicians from the real work of cutting emissions.

10:54 Gemino: And by the 2010s, the taboo moved to methane abatement and carbon dioxide removal.

11:00 Gemini: Mm.

11:00 Gemino: Those were dismissed as dangerous moral hazards. The pattern is always the same. Scientific reality forces a difficult insight, which creates massive institutional discomfort, until mounting evidence finally normalizes the new approach.

11:12 Gemini: Stabilization or geo-engineering is just the current frontier of that institutional discomfort.

11:17 Gemino: And the moral hazard argument always comes up here.

11:18 Gemini: Always. People argue that if we deploy technology to cool the planet, fossil fuel companies will just use it as an excuse to keep polluting.

11:29 Gemino: Which is a valid fear.

11:29 Gemini: It is. But at this stage of the crisis, refusing to research stabilization feels like refusing to use a fire extinguisher in a burning house because you are worried it might discourage your children from installing smoke detectors in the future.

11:42 Gemino: Wow.

11:42 Gemini: Obviously, we desperately need the smoke detectors, we need the emissions cuts, but the living room is already on fire.

11:46 Gemino: The tension you are describing is rooted in a false assumption, though.

11:52 Gemini: How so?

11:53 Gemino: The discomfort stems from the idea that intervening in the climate is a novel, unnatural act. But we are already intervening. We alter atmospheric chemistry every time we burn a barrel of oil. We reshape regional rainfall every time we clear cut a forest. We are already engineering the planet, we're just doing it blindly as a byproduct of commerce.

12:07 Gemini: Kelly framed this realization using two philosophical concepts that I found really helpful. We often hear about a paradigm shift. A term from Thomas Kuhn.

12:16 Gemino: Right.

12:16 Gemini: A paradigm shift is relatively fast. It happens when scientists notice anomalies in their data and have to update their models. The undeniable data on tipping points and natural emissions is forcing a paradigm shift right now.

12:28 Gemino: Sure.

12:28 Gemini: But the much deeper, heavier transition we're going through is what Michel Foucault calls an episteem shift.

12:36 Gemino: An episteem shift. That's not just about changing data.

12:37 Gemini: No, it's slow. It's a generational change in the unconscious structure of how a culture views reality.

12:43 Gemino: Okay.

12:43 Gemini: The old episteem viewed humanity as entirely separate from the earth. We were standing on the outside observing, extracting, and occasionally trying to protect it.

12:45 Gemino: Right, the environment was out there.

12:50 Gemini: Exactly. But the emerging episteem recognizes that humanity is deeply embedded inside of a vast system of systems. We are not separate from the weather, we are an active ingredient in it. Accepting that changes the fundamental definition of what it means to act responsibly.

13:03 Gemino: So if we step into this new episteem, if we admit that we are already blindly pulling the levers of the Earth and decide we need to start steering consciously, what does it actually look like to build stabilization as a third pillar of climate action?

13:17 Gemini: Yeah, what's on the menu?

13:17 Gemino: Kelly laid out a frontier research menu that is genuinely mind-bending. Starting with sunlight reflection. Specifically, stratospheric aerosol injection or SAI.

13:23 Gemini: Right, the aerosols again.

13:25 Gemino: Yeah. This involves releasing reflective particles high into the stratosphere to literally bounce a fraction of incoming sunlight back into space, thereby cooling the planet.

13:31 Gemini: It sounds like pure science fiction.

13:31 Gemino: It does, but the physical mechanism is entirely proven by nature.

13:39 Gemini: Ow.

13:40 Gemino: In 1991, Mount Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines. It injected 20 million tons of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere.

13:47 Gemini: And the chemical reaction of those aerosols spreading across the upper atmosphere actually cooled the entire planet by half a degree Celsius for over a year.

13:49 Gemino: Exactly, the physics work.

13:55 Gemini: But the organizations advocating for this, like Reflective, they're incredibly clear about their mission, right?

13:59 Gemino: Oh, absolutely. They are explicitly advocating for rigorous, transparent research, not deployment.

14:05 Gemini: The distinction is so vital, we just don't have a clear understanding of the cascading side effects.

14:11 Gemino: Right. How would SAI alter the Asian monsoon season? What happens to crop yields if sunlight is marginally dimmed? What are the impacts on stratospheric ozone?

14:21 Gemini: Exactly. And if we don't do the hard work of gathering that decision grade evidence now, we are walking into a trap.

14:21 Gemino: A huge trap.

14:24 Gemini: In 10 or 15 years, when crops are failing and people are dying from wet bulb temperatures, a panicked desperate government might unilaterally launch planes and deploy SAI blindly.

14:33 Gemino: Which would be a disaster.

14:36 Gemini: Right. We need the scientific research today to prevent a sloppy catastrophic deployment tomorrow.

14:44 Gemino: And that necessity for research brings up a profound question about global resource allocation. Which gets us to the second item on the research menu. Glacier stabilization.

14:55 Gemini: Oh. Right.

14:55 Gemino: Thwaites.

14:55 Gemini: Yeah.

14:55 Gemino: We discussed the hydrofracturing of Thwaites. Well, the Red Glacier Initiative is researching ways to mechanically slow that collapse down.

15:00 Gemini: I assumed this would require inventing some futuristic sci-fi laser or something.

15:02 Gemino: No, surprisingly not.

15:07 Gemini: Their proposed method uses existing off-the-shelf technology from the oil and gas industry called thermosiphons.

15:15 Gemino: They are essentially passive heat pumps. The concept is to drill boreholes through the ice, down to the glacier bed and install these thermosiphons filled with a pressurized gas.

15:16 Gemini: Okay.

15:22 Gemino: In the bitter Antarctic winter, the gas condenses at the cold surface, drops down to the base, absorbs the heat from the water under the glacier, vaporizes, and rises back up to release the heat into the air.

15:27 Gemini: So they passively draw the cold from the surface down to the bedrock.

15:34 Gemino: Yes.

15:34 Gemini: To refreeze the water that is lubricating the glacier, physically anchoring the ice back to the rock so it stops sliding into the ocean.

15:41 Gemino: That's the idea.

15:43 Gemini: The elegance of the physics is amazing, but it was the economic asymmetry of this that truly floored me.

15:44 Gemino: The cost comparisons are jarring, honestly.

15:50 Gemini: Tell me about it.

15:50 Gemino: New York City is currently planning a coastal storm surge barrier that is projected to cost 52 billion dollars.

15:53 Gemini: 52 billion.

15:53 Gemino: Yeah. Houston has a seawall project estimated at 50 billion. Jakarta is planning one for 40 billion.

16:02 Gemini: And remember our earlier conversation, those seawalls are being sized according to the outdated, conservative IPCC projections.

16:05 Gemino: Exactly.

16:12 Gemini: We are prepared to spend hundreds of billions of dollars on reactive infrastructure that might not even be tall enough to stop the water.

16:17 Gemino: Right.

16:17 Gemini: It is the equivalent of spending a fortune on high-tech buckets to catch the water flooding your living room, while Rot's entire research program to figure out if we can just patch the roof by stabilizing the glaciers at the source costs a hundred million dollars.

16:25 Gemino: It's crazy. And if the research proves the mechanism is safe and effective, scaling those thermosiphons across the most critical vulnerability points in Antarctica would cost roughly 8 billion dollars.

16:37 Gemini: 8 billion dollars to potentially choke off meters of global sea level rise at the source.

16:42 Gemino: Yeah.

16:45 Gemini: Versus 50 billion dollars for one single city to hide behind a concrete wall.

16:47 Gemino: Yeah.

16:47 Gemini: The fact that we aren't heavily funding research to work upstream of the failure mode is an economic absurdity.

16:53 Gemino: It really is.

16:53 Gemini: Yeah.

16:53 Gemino: Now, the final area of focus is atmospheric methane removal. We discussed those off-the-books super pollutants coming from the permafrost and wetlands.

17:02 Gemini: Right.

17:02 Gemino: Because methane is too diffuse in the open air to simply vacuum up with machines. Organizations like Spark Climate Solutions are researching atmospheric chemistry.

17:10 Gemini: Specifically, they're looking at how to enhance natural atmospheric sinks. There is a naturally occurring molecule called the hydroxyl radical or OH.

17:15 Gemino: Yeah, it acts like the detergent of the atmosphere.

17:19 Gemini: Right. When it bumps into methane, the highly reactive OH radical essentially steals a hydrogen atom, breaking the potent methane down into water vapor and carbon dioxide.

17:27 Gemino: So they want to know if we can safely enhance that chemical process to scrub the atmosphere faster than nature can do it alone.

17:36 Gemini: Whether it's sunlight reflection, glacier stabilization or atmospheric chemistry. The objective is the same.

17:37 Gemino: To build a rigorous, heavily researched toolkit.

17:38 Gemini: Exactly. So that if humanity reaches a breaking point, our interventions are guided by data rather than desperation.

17:44 Gemino: But taking all this in the failing dashboards of the sheer mass of the glaciers, the realization that the Earth is actively reacting to us.

17:57 Gemini: Yeah.

17:57 Gemino: It is an incredibly heavy psychological load.

18:00 Gemini: It really is.

18:00 Gemino: How are you supposed to process this scale of information without simply shutting down?

18:02 Gemini: Well, at the salon, Kelly introduced a framework from the writer Rebecca Solnit that I think really cuts through the noise.

18:09 Gemino: What did she say?

18:09 Gemini: Solnit explicitly rejects two psychological extremes that people use to avoid dealing with reality. The first extreme is blind hope.

18:17 Gemino: Oh, sure.

18:17 Gemini: This is the techno optimist delusion that AI or some billionaire will invent a magical machine and fix everything so we don't have to change.

18:22 Gemino: Right, just waiting for a savior.

18:25 Gemini: It also includes the degrowth utopian fantasy that says if we just dismantle capitalism tomorrow, the carbon will magically disappear.

18:30 Gemino: And what's the second extreme?

18:30 Gemini: The opposite extreme is just as paralyzing. It's left despair. This is the cynical apathy of believing that because we have already crossed tipping points, the game is over and there is just no point in trying.

18:43 Gemino: Right, both blind hope and left despair are just different flavors of surrender.

18:48 Gemini: Exactly. They are excuses to avoid the grueling, complex work of actually engaging with the problem.

18:51 Gemino: So we have to operate in the honest middle path.

18:51 Gemini: Yes. As Kelly put it.

18:56 Gemino: Yeah.

18:56 Gemini: We don't have the world we want it and we're not going to get it. That world is gone.

18:56 Gemino: Wow.

18:57 Gemini: But within the canvas we are left with, there is still an astronomical amount of space to decrease suffering and increase thriving.

19:06 Gemino: But to understand the true scale of the agency we have on that canvas. One of the glaciologists shared a piece of data that I haven't stopped thinking about.

19:14 Gemini: Let's hear it.

19:14 Gemino: It perfectly encapsulates the physical reality of the Anthropocene. Because human activity has caused so much polar ice to melt, and because that colossal, incomprehensible mass of water has migrated away from the poles and resettled closer to the equator.

19:30 Gemini: The gravity slosh.

19:32 Gemino: Yes. Because of that, we have physically altered the distribution of weight on the planet.

19:35 Gemini: Oh my God.

19:36 Gemino: We have changed the tilt of the Earth on its axis.

19:37 Gemini: That is, I mean, I can't even wrap my head around that.

19:39 Gemino: The shifting mass has even measurably altered the speed at which the Earth rotates on its daily cycle.

19:45 Gemini: Wait, really?

19:45 Gemino: Yes. We have altered the mechanical rotation of our planet at a cosmological level.

19:49 Gemini: And we did it entirely by accident.

19:49 Gemino: Entirely. We did it just by going about our daily lives, running our economies and burning fuel.

19:55 Gemini: If we have the sheer physical capacity to change the wobble of the Earth by mistake. Try to imagine what we are capable of achieving if we apply intentional, rigorous, governed care to the systems that sustain us.

20:10 Gemino: That transition from being overwhelmed to feeling a sense of agency, it was palpable in the room.

20:10 Gemini: It was.

20:10 Gemino: During the salon, they ran a live poll. Before the presentations began, attendees were asked what words they associated with the concept of geo-engineering.

20:20 Gemini: Right.

20:20 Gemino: And the responses were filled with fear, words like dangerous techno quick fix, unnatural and human hubris.

20:26 Gemini: But by the end of the night, after actually exploring the mechanisms, the economics and the ethics, the sentiment of the room had entirely shifted.

20:33 Gemino: Completely.

20:33 Gemini: The dominant words at the end of the night were hope, curious and a chance to change our trajectory. When you stop hiding from the taboo and actually look at the physics of the problem, paralysis turns into purpose.

20:46 Gemino: It really does.

20:46 Gemini: If you want to dive deeper into these ideas and join the community facing them, you can find them at dearcrisis.com. I'm Gemini.

20:47 Gemino: And I'm Gemino.

20:48 Gemini: See you in the living room.